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by Patrick M 17 Nov '04

17 Nov '04

I got this request today...... yet when I click to confirm it says it has expired.... Here is the quote. " Note that confirmation strings expire approximately 3 days after the initial subscription request. If your confirmation has expired, please try to re-submit your subscription. Otherwise, re-enter <http://kclug.org/mailman/confirm/kclug> your confirmation string. " Like I say when I resubmit my subscription, it says I am already a member. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: confirm ec2e53c5a536a37622199513f5d08c29346253eb Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:00:01 -0600 From: kclug-request(a)kclug.org To: pert(a)tas-kc.com Your membership in the mailing list Kclug has been disabled due to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated 03-Nov-2004. You will not get any more messages from this list until you re-enable your membership. You will receive 1 more reminders like this before your membership in the list is deleted. To re-enable your membership, you can simply respond to this message (leaving the Subject: line intact), or visit the confirmation page at http://kclug.org/mailman/confirm/kclug/ec2e53c5a536a37622199513f5d08c293462… You can also visit your membership page at http://kclug.org/mailman/options/kclug/pert%40tas-kc.com On your membership page, you can change various delivery options such as your email address and whether you get digests or not. As a reminder, your membership password is vuegsa If you have any questions or problems, you can contact the list owner at kclug-owner(a)kclug.org

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RE: Proposed Web site redesign (beta)
by Brian Densmore 17 Nov '04

17 Nov '04

> -----Original Message----- > From: Steven Hildreth > > Wow am I ever sorry I brought it up. In my opinion, its now very > obvious why the kclug site is static and visually archaic. > > The window of opportunity I had for involvement has passed, therefore > I withdrawal my contribution and respectfully decline any future Ah, isn't it great the way we treat volunteers here? Rather than offer constructive criticism for a well designed site, such as giving examples of a better way to layout the pages, we fall into a flamewar on the evils of tables versus CSS. On top of which, the CSS approach wouldn't allow the easy creation (1-2 hours vs 1/6 hour for three column layout) of some simple design criteria and the time consuming CSS solution still wouldn't render correctly in 90% of browsers (if I'm reading the postings right). I use tables and CSS on my site. While I can see how it might be a bit inconvenient for some readers to have the top and side menu repeated everytime a page loads before the main content, I don't see how three column CSS would alter that. With an equivalent CSS design (topbar menu and sidebar menu) you could still have the top menu and side menu before the main content - and hence still subject blind readers to have to listen to them every time. I don't see how CSS is the end-all-be-all of style. I think it's an overhyped formatting protocol being shoved down netizens'' throats all for the sacrificial offering of the web-modernization gods. Any way this is all moot point as the original purpose of this whole thread was to help Steve refine his work and design a better and more usable website for the LUG. Brian D.

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Securing IIS system via Linux????
by Patrick M 17 Nov '04

17 Nov '04

Hi, I have a vendor that is wanting me to open a hole so an external IIS server can access an internal SQL database, and an Access database via a read only share. There may be a way around the Access share..... for a price. --I have an internal IIS server, but don't want to open it to the public. --I have tried using the IIS lockdown tool on the external server, but it breaks the system if I use it. --IIS is required by the vendor. --What would any of you trust? Some proxy. I am using netopia personal/SOHO routers for my DMZ and a Pix 506 for my internal network. I have seen cgi's that relay one web page through another should I see if one of these will not break the pages? Any suggestions on these. i.e. names/url's Or would you just punch a hole through for that one server to access SQL (and possibly shares) CC/send responses directly to my address. I am losing messages from kclug... list messages are not even connecting to my server, but admin requests are. Yes I looked at the connection logs, and I don't see them being rejected.

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Re: SENDMAIL - HELP - SUSE
by Brian Kelsay 17 Nov '04

17 Nov '04

Got news for you. The meeting was last night. 1st Wed. of each month and 3rd Tues. http://www.sendmail.org/ Brian Kelsay >>> "Leland Riffel" <> 11/16/04 11:42PM >>> Michael Gebbards and my self [Lee Riffel] [ I was the new kid on the block at the first KCLUG meeting in November]; will be attending the KCLUG meeting on 11-17-2004 at the KC Library.. Mike and I are interested in finding out how to extract from SUSE disks the SENDMAIL program. We have been assigned this subject as a project. The following need to be covered: Configuration Options and Setup, The Functions the Package Supports, Examples of use, Security Considerations, Sources of Information and Support , Where Releases of the Package my be Obtained , We need to be familiar with the package manager used by SUSE and reinstall the package from the distribution disks without using the initial install process. We need to demonstrate use and configuration and setup. We will see you at the meeting.

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Re: Proposed Web site redesign (beta)
by mike＠handuma.com 15 Nov '04

15 Nov '04

Yes Chris, MySQL is OK. I found an interesting HTML comment in the source code for JCCC's home page, " <table class=3D'body' cellpadding=3D'0' cellspacing=3D'0' summary=3D'This table contains the navigation, spotlight stories and announcements of the web site.'> =09<tr><td><div class=3D'navbar'> =09 <div class=3D"menu">......." I love the name of this guy's global style sheet, <link rel=3D"stylesheet" title=3D'Site Standard' type=3D"text/css" href=3D"/css/trueblue/splash.css">. TRUEBLUE. He's obviously on the right path! Gerald has an unique and wonderful Web site. Appropriate for it's content. So useful it's artistic! Another example of why stereotypes fail. Some Philistines DO have home pages worthy of emulation. I investigated some sites purporting to be authorities on web standards and found them using tables for layout, for example, http://www.webstandards.com. Other sites, however, were trueblue, http://www.alistapart.com. When I scanned the source code at http://www.w3c.org, I was pleasantly surprised to find it wasn't laid out with tables. It doesn't make any difference who's example the club follows as long as you live up to your potential. I'd like to design a three column layout that collapses as gracefully as Gerald's ethereal.com. handuma http://www.handuma.com

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RE: modifying kernel
by Brian Densmore 15 Nov '04

15 Nov '04

Actually use of /usr/src/linux is *highly* discouraged. It is far better to use the /usr/src/linux-... or better still create a /usr/src/local/linux or some such directory and use that for compiling kernels and tweaking and experimenting. You can royally jack up your install by using /usr/src/linux as a kernel playground. Unless Linus got tired of people jacking up their systems and changed the behavior of the kernel libraries. > -----Original Message----- > From: Frank Wiles > > ... > /usr/src/linux isn't a "magic place" or anything. >

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Re: modifying kernel
by Brian Kelsay 15 Nov '04

15 Nov '04

One thing you can do is put the kernel source and headers on a box with enough room and compile on there and then transfer to the laptop. That is one thing I have not worked out the details for, but others here have done it. There is also distcc. Someone on the list uses distcc with several PCs clustered to compile stuff for other PCs. I believe they use this for Gentoo compiles. Brian Kelsay >>> Jonathan Hutchins <> 11/15/04 08:55AM >>> On Monday 15 November 2004 08:33 am, Brian Kelsay wrote: > I would have a problem like this with my funky wireless card. If you try to > load the compiled module and the kernel version compiled against is > different from the current running kernel, it doesn't work. Actually, it all depends on whether anything that the module depends on changed between the different kernels. I know this because the last two kernel updates on my laptop have _not_ broken my ACX100 driver. Which is a good thing, as the kernel source will no longer fit on the laptop's hard drive, so when the kernel does make a significant change I'm hosed.

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Re: modifying kernel
by Brian Kelsay 15 Nov '04

15 Nov '04

What may be "magic" about it is when you try to compile a package other than the kernel. AFAIK gcc will compile against whatever kernel source and headers is in /usr/src/linux or symlinked to it. If you are testing several kernels and have to recompile some program, then it becomes a problem or "royally jacked up". I would have a problem like this with my funky wireless card. If you try to load the compiled module and the kernel version compiled against is different from the current running kernel, it doesn't work. There is your magic. There is a config file somewhere that lets you set the default kernel source and header location. Most people just temporarily change the symlink from /usr/src/linux to the new /usr/src/linux-2.4.x location right before compiling. May not be right but it works. Maybe the Makefile for the program would be the place to change this? Brian Kelsay >>> "Ben Coffman" <> 11/11/04 06:02PM >>> its not a magic place...no way...blows my mind On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 18:20:30 +0000 "Ben Coffman" <> wrote: > I thought I installed the source, but I guess it just puts a > linux-2.6.9.tar.bz2 file in your /usr/src/redhat/SOURCE file...which I > > assume you have to upack and move to the /usr/src file...If this works > I'll give a heads up if it does I will be asking for help again. If you're building a kernel on a Red Hat system and want to make a kernel RPM, you need to learn how to build RPMs and compile them as SRPMs. If you don't mind not having your kernel in your RPM database you can just download a kernel source from kernel.org and build it from wherever.... /usr/src/linux isn't a "magic place" or anything.

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Mail Readers
by Jonathan Hutchins 14 Nov '04

14 Nov '04

Does anybody have a mail reader set up that does NOT render jason's messages as attached text files? I think there may be one other user who's mail appears that way in KMail (1.7.1 on KDE 3.2.3 on Mandrake 10.1). There are other digitally signed messages that KMail displays as such, so it's not _just_ digital signing that's causing the problem.

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Tables vs. CSS
by Jonathan Hutchins 14 Nov '04

14 Nov '04

It remains that given a layout done with HTML table markup, and a layout done with XML/CSS, the former will display more consistenly and reliably for a wider variety of REAL WORLD users than the latter. It's the fault of the browser's coders, yadda, yadda, yadda, but the REALITY is that tables display more consistently.

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