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Re: Suggestions for Linux group
by Jeffrey Watts 12 Mar '08

12 Mar '08

Sorry about that, you picked a bad day to visit the site as I was in the middle of upgrading that mirror set from 160gb to 750gb, and was having fun with a bad drive. The site's up again, though running on a degraded mirror until Newegg's RMA process can get me a new drive. The mailing list doesn't run on that site, only the (out of date) website. That said, KULUA's certainly not as busy as KCLUG. We don't do meetings and socials like we used to, but our mailing list is still active and we stay on-topic for the most part. I certainly don't want to get into any kind of dumb "KULUA vs KCLUG" debate however, as I think arguing about that kind of stuff is dumb, and there's always room for more Linux and Unix groups. However, I will say that it's pretty amazing that you could have a flamewar about both Hitler AND Catholicism at the same time. That's impressive. :) We use Google Groups, membership is moderated, and recruiters and people without local ties aren't approved. This keeps the spam down. I rarely have to moderate anything on KULUA's list, but rest assured if we start hearing about the Pope or Hitler, I'll wear my fascist hat and wield my ban-stick. ;) Have fun in whatever you guys do, and hello to the folks I know on this list. :) Jeffrey. Kyle Wrote: > So long, and thanks for all the fish. I looked at the last 10 topics on > the kulua/www.kulua.org list (their webserver finally came back up) > and they are much more focused: -- "He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." -- Thomas Paine

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Re: Recycling subject lines saves trees (was Re:Stopeditingthedamnsubject (was Re: The EndOfWesternCivilization (wasRe:RoadRunnernonsense(wasRe: fwd: RE: STFU RE))
by Luke -Jr 12 Mar '08

12 Mar '08

On Wednesday 12 March 2008, you wrote: > I enjoy discussing this with you and want to continue but I think we > need to take it off the LUG mailing list. O.K. Does KCLUG have an off-topic mailing list? Or I suppose someone can throw up a temporary per-thread list... either way, if anyone else cares to continue this thread, let me know so your email is included in whatever kind of list is made. > > I'm not overly familiar with Islam, but the most obvious heresy would be > > that they deny Our Lord's divinity. > > For the record Islam does believe in the divinity of Christ and the > immaculate conception. Where they differ from Christianity is that they > feel that God would not have allowed his Son to suffer the way he did on > the cross. They believe that he ascended to heaven before suffering and > dying on the cross and that the human vessel that God's Son inhabited on > earth was crucified. Granted, this is a MAJOR point of difference > between the two religions, but it still makes Islam the closest religion > to Christianity than any other religion. I mean the Jewish religion > doesn't even look at Christ as being the Son of God and believe nothing > of the New Testament. I suspect some forms of Protestantism are closer to Christianity than Islam, but "closeness" doesn't matter much in the big picture so long as they persist in denying God's doctrine. > > Protestantism was founded by men. The Catholic Church was> founded by God > > Himself, and He guaranteed it would never teach error or mandate evil. > > I think the Catholic church was founded by the followers of Christ's > disciples sometime about 300+ years after the death of Christ. I didn't > think it was founded by Christ himself. Matt 16:18, Our Lord appoints St. Peter to be the first pope and promises that that Satan will never at any time prevail over the Church. Mark 16:15, Christ gives the Church a mandate to teach the world, and makes mention of signs to identify His Church (for example, only Catholics can cast our demons) Acts 2, Christ sends the Holy Ghost to the apostles, making them the Church's first Bishops. Acts 15:1, The first council (the Council of Jerusalem) addresses the first heresy (Judaizers), and eventually St. Peter uses his papal authority, accepted by all present, to give a final resolution. > > If you say Jesus is not God, and I say He is, both of us > > cannot be right. > > I never said that Jesus was not God. It was an example. > > I follow the Church He founded, protects, and guides. The teachings of the > > Catholic Church are inerrant on matters of faith and morals. > > But the Catholic Church is run by human beings not by God. Human beings > are not infallible, God is. The Catholic Church has Christ as its Head, and is guided and protected by the Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost prevents men from teaching or mandating error on a Church-wide level. For example, if a pope were inclined to mandate sin upon all Catholics, if there were no other way to stop him from doing so, God would strike him dead before he had done so.

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Linux Question
by Greg Lawson 12 Mar '08

12 Mar '08

I have a fairly new SLES 10.0 OS running on a Sun x2100 box, which replaced a RH 8.0/Dell server, (which worked absolutely great). Both servers do/did the same basic functions-file server/SAMBA and very little else. One problem on my new server however, is that all the logins/logoffs on XP clients at a remote branch (connected via VPN to main branch-different subnet) take extremely long (4-15 minutes!) to load/save user settings. With the RH server there were no delays like this. I suspect a NetBIOS issue, but have that enabled in smb.conf on the new server (pretty much config same as the old smb.conf). Any suggestions? Greg Lawson Rolling Hills Consolidated Library 1912 N. Belt Highway St. Joseph, MO 64506

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Question for other gmail users (filtering out emails by sender)
by feba thatl 12 Mar '08

12 Mar '08

Anyone know of a way to use gmail's filter system to filter out emails from someone without filtering an entire thread? For example, using filter "from:moran@holyshithowdidhegetintocollege.edu" would also block any thread that person had replied to, or significant amounts of it anyway. Is there any way to use it to only block their specific emails, but keep the rest of the thread intact?

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Re: religion?
by Arthur Pemberton 12 Mar '08

12 Mar '08

On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Craig Aldinger <gonzogone(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Ubuntu seems to work for my (admittedly) mundane daily needs, have not As well I expect it would. > messed w/ Fedora as yet but am always open to something new. I wouldn't suggest you switch unless there are some significant things with Ubuntu that you no longer like. > And, yes, thanks for backing me about the religious horse-puckey on a Linux > website. I have other places I can vent my spleen regarding religion - I > also have some very strong opinions but, this forum is not the place to air > them. Agreed. And in case anyone needs another topic more related to this list than religion, this dude just top posted. Beat him to a pulp over it if you wish. Peace to all. -- Fedora 7 : sipping some of that moonshine ( www.pembo13.com )

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Stop editing the damn subject (was Re: The End Of Western Civilization (was Re: RoadRunner nonsense (was Re: fwd: RE: STFU RE))
by Billy Crook 12 Mar '08

12 Mar '08

See, now isn't that annoying? Cut it out, for the love of god. There is a reason emails have subject lines. It's so I can mute them in gmail, and not be bothered with that thread again. When people change the subject line it pollutes everyone's inbox, and breaks threaded reading and sorting. Stop It. Stop it now. Internet pollution kills baby seals. If you're going to change the subject line, change the damn subject, and write a completely different unrelated email. On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 2:11 PM, Leo Mauler <webgiant(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > --- Jonathan Hutchins <hutchins(a)tarcanfel.org> wrote: > > > On Tuesday 26 February 2008 13:06:06 Billy Crook > > wrote: > > > > > If one were to look at how their opt-out page > > > works, you http get with a few args, one of > > > which is your modem's mac address. You could > > > just as easily post with any other cable > > > modem's mac address, if say, you had multiple, > > > and didn't want to visit each physical location > > > of them, or maybe .... > > > > ... you could just type the correct url in the > > first place. > > > > Yes, it's annoying. No, it's not the end of Western > > Civilization. > > > > Get a grip, guys. > > It may not be the end of Western Civilization, but its > certainly being handled very insecurely by RoadRunner. > > This guy (blogger link below) has done some poking > around and discovered how RoadRunner is going about > the "opt-in/opt-out" process for its new services > (thats right, plural, see below), and it is a little > scary from a security perspective. > > http://rgov.org/road-runners-dns-wildcard > > Basically RoadRunner is using an open HTTP GET > request, and no SSL, for your "Preferences" page. It > is possible for anyone to request the "Preferences" > page for every single customer, and with this > information you gain the geographical location of > every single RoadRunner customer (and thus where to > direct your own ISP's advertising to best effect, > especially if you don't redirect "failed DNS requests" > to an advertising page). > > But RoadRunner has not one but *three* new services > you can opt into or out of. Services which, when > their options are set very unfavorably to the > customer, result in an interesting and profitable > situation for Internet Advertisers, and in particular > a certain class of advertiser. > > # Web Address Error Redirect Service: > (the service everyone is complaining about, which > sends you to a page containing ads from advertisers > who are advertising with RoadRunner) > > # Typo Correction Service: > (fixes common typos in URLs, such as cmo or nte) > > But the third one should be of some concern for those > with small children: > > # Safe Search Filter: > "This preference allows you to restrict adult-oriented > content from search results on the non-existing domain > landing service." > > Since there are only approximately 16,777,216 MAC > addresses the way RoadRunner is handling the service, > you could write a script which, for example, opted > every RoadRunner customer *into* "Web Address Error > Redirect Service", *out of* "Typo Correction Service" > (which increases the possibility that the RoadRunner > "Failed DNS Request" page will pop up), and *out of* > "Safe Search Filter". And it wouldn't take long to > run the script, or be much trouble to run it once a > week. > > And then you, as the owner of "Adult Content Website > Advertising Consortium", then use the advertising > revenue you collect from your adult website members to > buy HUGE amounts of adult content web advertising. > Every time a RoadRunner customer mistypes a URL, or > types in a non-existent URL, the RoadRunner page will > pop up and send adult content advertising related to > the customer's failed URL request (Rule #34 of the > Internet: "If it exists, there is porn of it."). > > You don't even need to be an adult content advertising > consortium. Just pay for "first placement" on the > RoadRunner Ad Page...err, I mean "Failed DNS Request > Page", and then run the script opting every RoadRunner > customer *into* "Web Address Error Redirect Service" > and *out of* "Typo Correction Service". The > RoadRunner customer will see the RoadRunner "Failed > DNS Request Page" more often than they would like to > see it, and your ads will be seen more often than any > other ad. > > Spam has proven that many Internet Advertisers have no > shame, decency, and/or ethics. This move by > RoadRunner will be exploited, and exploited soon, and > with any luck the complaints from customers (and the > lawsuits from parents) will bring it to an end fairly quickly. > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > _______________________________________________ > Kclug mailing list > Kclug(a)kclug.org > http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug >

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RE: Dry run Vital Site meeting on for tonight?
by Phil Thayer 11 Mar '08

11 Mar '08

That's what I understood. Today is the 11th isn't it? ________________________________ From: Philip Dorr [mailto:tagno25@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 4:27 PM To: Phil Thayer Subject: Dry run Vital Site meeting on for tonight? are we having the dry run Vital Site meeting tonight (Tuesday the 11th)?

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Where to get laptop batteries? Also, Ubuntu deployment at bookstore...
by Chuck 09 Mar '08

09 Mar '08

Can anybody point me to a reputable place online (or locally) where I can buy a replacement battery for a Toshiba laptop? This is the first time I've had to replace a laptop battery. I also want to share news that we've set up an Ubuntu network at our bookstore and infoshop at 3109 Troost. We're making available a public Internet access terminal that is running Ubuntu. Our other computers in the building are also running Ubuntu. We also offer free WiFi. Our next project is to set up a community computing lab in the building which will mostly be running Linux. We welcome donations of equipment. We mostly need CAT5 cable at this point. Please come by and check us out: Crossroads Infoshop & Radical Bookstore 3109 Troost KCM0 64109 http://www.crossroadskc.org/ Chuck -------------------------- Bread and Roses Web Design serving small businesses, non-profits, artists and activists http://www.breadandrosesweb.com/

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Re: Subject Lines Controversy
by Craig Aldinger 09 Mar '08

09 Mar '08

Have followed this bit, have come to a (sort of...) conclusion. Aparrently there are a whole lot of folks who can get pretty well exercised over trivia regarding the "Subject Line/Thread" continuity. My only response to this running byte-battle is: Whiskey Tango Foxtrot? I suspect that there are many more important issues for which all of us simple readers of the forum would benefit by..... I do know that the good folks at KCLUG have inadvertantly helped me out w/ my learning about Linux just by my reading this forum, keep up the good work so newbies like this old man can continue my education!

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Another Unix related comic
by Brian Kelsay 07 Mar '08

07 Mar '08

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